Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:46 PM

Subject: [TPINet] Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service.

Dear Ms. Vale,

At present the current situation, I believe is 5 visits with a 'possibility' of further sessions should it be indicated. Obviously this is not enough and the subject should be addressed as a matter of urgency.

Being a Vietnam Veteran myself I know it would benefit the fellow Veterans of the Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia greatly. So if you do not consider it for me, I beg you consider the VVAA.

Yours faithfully

J.King

Qld 4215

(07) 55 323 095

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:05 PM

Subject: Re: Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service.

Dear Mr King,

It matters not if you are a member of the VVAA or not. The 5 visits to VVCS have a degree of flexibility in that it can under some circumstances be extended beyond that figure for partners and son and daughters of Vietnam veterans.

Is that subtle enough for you both?

Cheers,

Brian McKenzie

National President

Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia

Telephone/Facsimile: (03) 6247 7778

Mobile: 0439 030 429

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Dear Mr. McKenzie,

I thank you for your concern with regard to this matter. However, I am not a member of the Vietnam Veterans Association, but feel I can help you and your members out by lobbying the Minister on your behalf.

Any questions - please feel free to contact me.

Yours faithfully,

J. King

Qld 4215

(07) 55 323 095

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:05 PM

Subject: [TPINet] Re: Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service.

Dear Mr. McKenzie,

I realise that I am entitled to the services of the VVCS even if I do not belong to the VVAA. I also believe that any help from me with regard to bettering the entitlements of Veterans should be appreciated.

I shall therefore continue to lobby Government ministers on your behalf.

Yours faithfully,

J.King

Qld 4215

(07) 55 323 095

Dear Mr King,

It matters not if you are a member of the VVAA or not. The 5 visits to VVCS have a degree of flexibility in that it can under some circumstances be extended beyond that figure for partners and son and daughters of Vietnam veterans.

Is that subtle enough for you both?

Cheers,

Brian McKenzie

National President

Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia

Telephone/Facsimile: (03) 6247 7778

Mobile: 0439 030 429

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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:13 PM

Subject: Re: [TPINet] Re: Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service.

Yes Bob,

Feel free. The other email may be more appropriate because it tells the complete details.

Cheers,

Brian McKenzie

National President

Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia

Telephone/Facsimile: (03) 6247 7778

Mobile: 0439 030 429

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:22 AM

Subject: [TPINet] VVAA

Dear Mr. McKenzie,

All members of the TPI association are TPI's whereas not all members of the VVAA are TPI's. Therefore the VVAA cannot, and should not, have the temerity to put forward submissions to the Government on matters which concern TPI's solely. You could imagine the consternation amongst your members if the TPI association put forward a submission on behalf of the VVAA.

In your comparision of the submissions put forward by the VVAA, RSL and the TPI, you state that the TPI submission is of unknown origin and date. And that the increase to the TPI pension we seek is too much and not researched. Allow me to put to you certain facts.

I have in my possession a copy of a letter sent to Mr. Bruce Scott by Zev Ben-Avi pointing out to the former, the erosion of the TPI pension. This letter is dated 25th February, 1999. I have also in my possession facts and figures which state that the original intention of the TPI pension was for it to be 100% of the average wage. As is well known now, the figure is closer to 43% of the MTAWE.

So there you have it. A date and origin of the original TPI submission and figures supporting the amount sought.

You must also realise that the non Vietnam Veteran TPI's are highly offended by the actions of the VVAA with regard to this misinformation you are spruiking. The original intention of the submission was to point out to the government the erosion of the TPI pension. Do you imagine any other sector of the Australian community allowing their entitlements to be eroded to such an extent that they and their families are living below the poverty line? Of course not. Do that to any trade union and they would close down the country.

Yours faithfully

J.King

Qld 4215

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: [TPINet] [Fwd: (no subject)]

It was started by TPI's for the benefit of TPI's and now these arseholes at the VVAA have hijacked it and are using the VEA as a smokescreen.

It is letters like this which make me ashamed to be a Vietnam Veteran. No - I will qualify that. It's letters like this which make me feel ashamed to be likened to McKenzie and his cohorts because we are all veterans of the Vietnam war.

To all our members of TPInet who are not Vietnam Veterans, I humble apologise (and I rarely apologise for anything even if I am wrong). Sorry, mates.

JK

(ps I'm not finished with this prick yet)

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 3:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TPINet] VVAA

Sorry, Tibbo - been out riding. That arsehole Bert Irwin also rang my missus this morning and tried pumping her for info. Fortunately, I'd given her the drum, so she gave him short shrift. I rang him and left this message on his answering machine.

'Mr. Bert Irwin. This is John King here. You have been harassing my wife and son with telephone calls. Don't fucking do it again.'

Now await his return call. I know Mr. Brian 'Call me cockhead' MacKenzie is gonna cop a blast shortly too.

I got my original disability pension myself, was then helped by the VVAA to get me to 40%, then given the shove by the same mob and had to seek out my own advocate who eventually got me TPI. All the time this particular branch of the VVAA was imploding with factional fighting (and still is today). So it was a bitter sweet experience. I also was a member of the original Granville VVAA back in 1981.

OK. Fair enough so far. But it really gets my goat when the VVAA try to take over a TPI matter. And I refuse to excuse anybody's behaviour because they are a fellow Veteran. And I'm afraid that the rank and file of the VVAA have endorsed their fearless leaders' actions, so therefore I can feel quiet justified in putting shit on the organization as a whole. By the same token I have mates in the VVAA who I respect.

I am now put in the position of having my family harassed and coerced by a senior member of the VVAA (Mr. Bert Irwin) upon the instructions of their National President (Mr. Brian McKenzie). If they think by doing this to my family will make me back off, then they are sadly mistaken. Mr. Irwin will feel the lash of my tongue before long and if he keeps it up he will feel something a bit more physical.

My declaration of war still stands. More so now.

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TPINet] VVAA

Any reaction on my behalf will fall on both their heads (and anyone else who wants in on the action).

JK

I'll just throw in 2 baht worth.

There was a lot of jest here today but I think everyone agreed that the rank and file did a good job on advocacy and welfare and whatever and were only having a go at a few top dogs that have been pretty silly lately.

I don't know if anyone else knows where the VVAA stands at this minute. You get one saying one thing and then letters denying that is their policy. The only problem as I see it is the VVAA top dogs (some) having a go at the TPI submission and anyone that supports it.

Most of the VVAA members I have met are pretty down to earth and good guys.

Obviously you get the odd one from any ESO that is willing to go off and break ethical rules but you can't blame the whole ESO for that but the one person that did it. He may well belong to the TPI Assoc as well as the RSL. If you can tie it back to some direction from their officers that could well be a different matter.

Actually JK if you think what he has so far done is out of order and he has represented himself as a VVAA member I think a quick call to their President would solve things pretty quick.

I have met him. Can't remember his name but from summing him up I would say he would not condone that. I have his card somewhere.

So to Dutchy I think you can determine the posts in jest and the serious ones.

Eddie

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TPINet] VVAA

Don't blame you whatsoever JK, concerning VVAA after the treating your family has received mate.

There is NO need for rubbish like that.

Who the hell do they think they are anyway.